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And so many of these heartless PPs now hold big jobs in our federal government, as Lost In A Dream - REO Speedwagon - Lost In A Dream they were leaders instead of sick.
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We formed what might be described as a laser beam of protest, with everybody aimed in the same direction, focused and intense. This weapon proved to have the power of a banana-cream pie three feet in diameter when dropped from a stepladder five-feet high. And so it is with anti-war protests in the present day. Then as now, TV did not like anti-war protesters, nor any other sort of protesters, unless they rioted. As a writer and artist, have you noticed any difference between how the cultural leaders of the past and the cultural leaders of today view their responsibility to society?
Responsibility to which society? To Nazi Germany? To the Stalinist Soviet Union? What about responsibility to humanity in general? And leaders in what particular cultural activity? I guess you mean the fine arts. I hope you mean the fine arts.
Music makes practically everybody fonder of life than he or she would be without it. Even military bands, although I am a pacifist, always cheer me up.
But that is the power of ear candy. The creation of such a universal confection for the eye, by means of printed poetry or fiction or history or essays or memoirs and so on, isn't possible. Literature is by definition opinionated. It is bound to provoke the arguments in many quarters, not excluding the hometown or even the family of the author.
Any ink-on-paper author can only hope at best to seem responsible to small groups or like-minded people somewhere. He or she might as well have given an interview to the editor of a small-circulation publication.
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If only those in charge were more like Mr. Vonnegut, then perhaps humanity would be saved. We truely have "trashed this joint". Kelly L-- Have you ever listened to yourself? How do you know, trapped in a country run by only 6 media companies 10 years ago there were Where Theres A Will, Theres A Way - Delaney & Bonnie & Friends With Eric Clapton - On Tour making crap TV prgrammes that you sell to the rest of the world, how do you know even the slightest what is going on in Iraq either now or in the past.
Do you honestly believe this, and that Donald Duck wears no pants. I mean really. You should read a little I think, and you might find out some stuff. I don't know what he was like as a person, but I do know that Iraq pre was the most progressive state in the middle east, that Bagdhad had christian churchs, mosques and synogogues, that it had free health care yes, it happensfree schoolong and the highest rate of literacy in that area which means they could read and write.
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I am sick of being some sort of listen to everyones opinion peace and love Ghandi dawk. You are the worst sort of bigott, and you and your ilk have done far more harm to the world than Sadaam or Osama ever did. When I was younger I had a great deal of repect for Kurt Vonnegut.
I've read all his books and several articles. But as I've gotten older, he nows seems to be just another complainer. I agree, that none of us chose to be here. But as long as you are here quit crying and play ball!
Salingers "Perfect day for Bananafish" saved my life and sanity. Then Joseph Heller also a Veteran. I read this essay for the first time today, about two months hence from "Operqation Iraqi Freedom. Why did we fight? Dubya lied to us, and Americans died. So, it was because Saddam harbored Al Qeida terrorists, except we found no proof of that, either. So it was for freedom, right? Except I am just as free as I was before the war. During the war, I continued to eat French fried potatoes, dunk French bread into my French onion soup, and French-kiss my girlfriend.
And I will continue to do so, because I am free. I only wish I was fabulously well-to-do, so I could keep more of my hard-earned money, but since I am poor, I must continue to pay my same taxes.
Which was worse: Clinton lying about a hummer, or Dubya lying about a war? You be the judge. Speaking from the 51st State I am deeply confused by the attitude of this so-called Vonnegut.
Not only does he deride the wisdom of our humble President but he also accuses him of a coup d. Vonnegut, truly a brilliant and elegant writer is the definition of wisdom for many. Long live intelligence, sensitivity and Kurt Vonnegu. Kurt Vonnegut is my hero. I am reading Timequake for about the third time, so that I can remember the whole thing, and quote Vonnegut at appropriate times to my mostly right-wing family. We had the same parents, but anyway. I just love Kurt Vonnegut, have since my college days.
I hope he lives forever!!! You go, Junior! Kurt Vonnegut found my lost love of reading and now I am proud to say I am a Vonegut junkie. I suppose even more after reading this article. There's always room for Jello. As always, Kurt Vonnegut has yet again spoken the mind of us few intelligent people left on this planet. If only we could do more to educate the masses, then our world be a better place.
Thank you, Mr. Yes go screaming in despair and failure that you unendingly espouse, Victim Of Circumstance - Suzi Quatro - Oh Suzi Q by demons into the hell you have so correctly identified as your afterlife destination.! You continue your career of oreaching defeatism, and depression to the fools that consider your eloquence at it, as some kind of mark of human "excellence", when in fact your works are nothing more than the encouragement of the loss of hope that one must acheive to nter hell.
What is truly amazing is there isn't documented proof of the spike in suicides by those students who are forced to read your ethics and morals warping trash called "literature". It is so great to hear the truth, even though it is hard for most people to hear. I would love to be another ignorant drone who wakes up each day to salute a corrupt 'democracy' and smiles at the portraits of the swine in charge of all of this grief!
Such people seem to rapidly consume and digest whatever decomposing slop is thrust in front of them, spitting out only the bones and seeds of truth that occasionally leak through. Kurt Vonnegut is a shining example of what it is to be free in a world devoid of freedom. Thank you for giving hope, truth, and a glimpse into freedom!
If at all possible, I would like your insight into how a young girl in Colorado can save the world, or if that is not possible, how to slow the path of destruction we are steadily crawling along. I met Kurt Vonnegut in the early 90's, he autographed one of his novels for me, he drew a picture of his ass-hole in it. I laugh every time I think about it. After reading the interview with Mr.
Vannegut I was moved to share a poem I wrote about my miraculous son. Having had 17 sets of parents by the time I was a senior in high school, I am quite taken by my responsibility as a father, parent, husband. Sometimes I am moved to write about how things affect me. Nicolas, This was wasn't for humanity--that would be a good reason, but no.
And as far as those peaceful negotions and your comparing that with Hitler, here's something: This administration is using the same tactics used by Hitler: Pre-emptive strikes and occupation of Austria, then Poland. He convinced his people that both countries were viscious threats to the fatherland and that "peaceful negotions and reasoning" had been ignored, so the only recourse was to attack and change their government.
He despised the Bolsheviks more than the Jews so the people were behind attacking Russia. I hope everyone who believes this lying, deceitful and utterly evil pResident would open their eyes to the truth and have him and his gang thrown out. I watched a small insect crawl across my desk today Open your eyes! This war was for humanity, not againist it. Sure, some history was looted, some deaths were incurred, but come on!
This guy Saddam gassed his own people! Did peaceful talks work with Hitler? Let's ask Russia Dear Kurt, If only you were a self-centered careerist you might have been a politician and then we could have voted YOU into office!
Thank you I was wondering what Kurt thought of these times. Naturally it would be "unpatriotic" for a news channel to interview someone of his undeniable credibility and fearless opinion. Your banana-creme pie laser weapon of protest should be the model on which our anti-war millions change their ineffective ways. It probably won't work that way, but it should. We just must learn how to listen to voices of experience and wisdom. We've just got to lose this ego-driven me-me-me that helps keep us so dramatically divided.
Out of print and rare. Too rich for my budget. Library trip. Boaz's love of the harmoniums is all that anybody ever needs to say about anything. I never trusted Boaz until he met the harmoniums. He met those creatures and they showed him love. They showed him love and he showed them music.
I need to finish reading that damn book George W. Bush was a "C" student. He's an idiot. Too bad being an idot isn't grounds for impeachment. Too bad Dubya's fellow C students defending him here have the same low regard for recent history lessons as their hero had for all his scholarship. They conveniently forget how Daddy Warbush issued an executive order strengthening relations with Iraq, then helped quash a Senate resolution condemning Saddam's gassing of Iraqi Kurds. Can't go bad-mouthing our "allies", wouldn't be prudent.
Friends, when these right-wing morons ask how much we'd like being subjected Cloud Loud - Illuminati Congo - Green Is All I Need Saddam's instruments of death, calmly reply, "About as much as I enjoyed selling them to him! Today's history lesson, C students: "We do not have any defense treaties with Kuwait, and there are no special defense or security commitments to Kuwait.
Get off KV's nut, "oh thank you Kurt, you're our mark twain kurt, oh kurt, your very existence makes the world revolve" What a bunch of wannabee intellectual ass kissers. Try an opinion that's your own. This guy isn't saying anything pertinent or important and gets praised for it. Reply to Danny. Are you trying to tell me that the torture methods Saddam and his tyrants used against his own people have a relationship to the United States?
This has been going on for years and Saddam's control has cost the lives of hundreds of thousands These guys are ruthless tyrants. Find out what they have done to their star sports figures for losing an event, maybe you'll understand. Yes, your right, I shouldn't criticize a quote, but he has no place to compare himself to the poor or criminal minded because he is neither of the two.
Wonderful interview. So many of us feel this way and I'm thankful we still have Mr. Vonnegut around to articulate it for us so well. Happy Birthday, Wanda June! Kurt Vonnegut is a genius, there is no denying, however his comparison of this war to Vietnam is erroneous. It Evil Ways - Santana - Viva Santana !
(VHS) clearly more similar to WWII, where it was necessary to be involved. No one wants to go to war, including myself, however I choose to examine all sides of this problem, not just selectively listen to only the liberal aspect. People fail to keep an open mind about everything.
This is not ONLY a war over oil, but also about American power, pride, and safety, therefore I strongly support the actions of our President.
I quit Sunday school at 7 when I was told vietnam didn't count under Thou shall not kill. Still think this invasion is not an exception. Keep having nightmares about Ashcroft and how W is setting himself up as king as fast as possible.
Yet another lifelong reader says keep making noise! Posted by: d lee on 2. Believe it; we are hated because we have a choice. Well, it took a couple hundred years, but the Bush Family finally figured out how to ruin the checks and balances that underlie the American Experiment.
If Cloud Loud - Illuminati Congo - Green Is All I Need own enough judges and spread around enough money, you can get away with anything. Now Bush and Companies are ransacking the Treasury and dismantling everything that was truely civic minded about America. If there was any justice that wasn't bought off in this country, the whole rotten Bush family would be airlifted and dropped somewhere far beyond the US borders OK, let me rephrase. General sweeping opinions of Republicans OR Democrats is just plain wrong.
There are Republicans in favor shudder of gun control take a look at how that's helping out Australia and Britan and Democrats who espouse hunting. Cruise missiles missed targets, and did nothing but firm the rtesolve of those who would hate the US no matter who sat in office. Do you seriously think that the Taliban would come up and hug you for not wanting war? Not likely. I do not with for war, but I also know that Iraqi and Saudi money funded the terrorists, and continue to do so.
One last point before I retire and chuckle at small responces; the UN is a joke. Our "allies" in France and Germany don't wish for us to remove Saddam because then they'll have to shop for another arms buyer. If you don't believe that, go do some research for yourself. Paul, A "limp wristed liberal"? You help to support a notion that Republicans are spewers of hate and war.
The reason we're really getting hit now is Osama is getting revenge for his daddy getting screwed over by George Sr. When the president is his son All Clinton did was send in cruise missles. Yeah, he wanted to keep the innocent casualties to a minimum, what a horrible thing. And George will do something all right--he'll start a Jihad and then, will you ever see terrorism. Oh, and do you think Nelson Mandella is "limp wristed? How about the president's minister? He opposes it Lonely Boy - Cowboys International ®* - The Original Sin well.
If anything, we're raising our fists in protest while those who blindly follow this horrible excuse to kill are getting fisted. Vonnegut is correct! You see I know this firsthand. How would Le Dernier Hiver - Maelifell - The Summerlands like it if a Global Fucking Terrorist showed up in your place of business?
I bet you wouldn't like that too much Mr. Young Republican. And, oh yes, that Padilla fellow He came into my place of business in Post WTC to size me up. They're holding him in the Naval brig in Charleston SC with very good reason And oh yes, Katherine Harris was in my place of employment before the election, but what could that have to do with anything, I mean, My God, they can't possibly be related in any way now, can they? Anyways, I work in a public place just outside Hunter Army Airfield, and around this time last year I had the pleasure to meet Sgt.
Bradley Crose and Pfc. Matthew Commons. Both of these young men, age 27 and 21, were in the prime of their lives. Both could be described as articulate, handsome, and kind. Both were still a little green around the edges, but they had savvy, dreams, and goals and -- presumably -- a long life ahead of them.
However, they both died in Afghanistan on March 4th,because George Let Your Feelings Show - Earth, Wind & Fire - The Columbia Masters. Crose and Commons are now bonemeal and ash, and Bush is still not impeached.
Where the! So if you're reading this thread, and you're ALL for war, and you're baring your fangs, and you're flexing your muscles, and if you can spit fire, or at least hold an AK, why haven't you already enlisted yet?
I mean Haven't you been to Boot Camp yet? Peace takes courage, and your Commander in Chief has none! Kurt Vonnegut fought in a really dangerous war and lived to tell about it. Bush probably couldn't fire a slingshot straight to save his life. Who has more guts All three definitely do. Bush is a cheerleading chickenhawk and a "One Term President" at best.
He has no guts. If you care even one iota for the people around you, there will be no unjust war for oil. I live in a city where there is only one major newspaper. This paper owns a monopoly. What I see more and more is this paper and many of our media outlets printing or telling nothing but the governments standard line on issues. I write to the Arizona Republic often about their responsibility as a government watchdog, but nothing changes.
The Bush administration and its power is frightening. Bush has a pattern for upgrading terrorist warnings and putting the fear of terrorism into our citizens. He uses this to bolster his approval ratings. I am tired of people being called Anti-American, by the likes of Mona Charen and others in the press, simply for exercising their first amendment rights of free speech and assembly.
People have every right to question their "elected" leaders. These people aren't anointed nor are they above reproach. It's long out of print, I'm sure. The message to the miners: Get out of Dodge! As an artist, Vonnegut has equated his role to that of the canaries. And this is what he is doing once more in this interview! He is warning us of the perilous path our leaders seem determined to follow. I haven't heard anyone talk about dubbaya with such clarity since he and his bro' stole the presidency.
Viva Kurt!! At least he has a moral compass. When Osama came to lioght, all Billy did was send cruise missiles. Look what that got us. Look at the twin towers Those of you limp-wristed liberals that care to stand on the sidelines and "think about it " can watch as we rid the world of a pestilance. Saddam Hussein, age 21 attempted to murder the president of Iraq.
This did not deter the United Stated from arming and supporting him when he was at war with Iraq. He then changed his mind and allowed, aided and abetted the troops of Saddam Hussein to murder thousands of Kurds. Almost one third of gulf war veterans have claimed illness and disability after the gulf war. Initially this was treated as false claims and hysteria.
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Twenty countries now manufacture these type of weapons. They will most likely be used again in this next war. The embargo against Iraq had done little to clip the claws of Saddam Hussein. Business week, several months ran a story how Saddam and his family circumvented the Quiet Nights Of Quiet Stars (Corcovado) - Kitty Kallen - The Kitty Kallen Story. Meanwhile, tens of thousands of children in Iraq have died from lack of food and medicine.
Finally, most importantly, the Bush administration, within the first months of its taking office assessed the consumption of oil over the next 20 years and its impact on the US.
They concluded: America. Patrick, Like I said, I don't support something until I am sure of why it is necessary. Only when it is necessary and of a just cause, do i Release Me - Various - Forever Mod going to war.
I feel that the potential war with Iraq would be a just one. Did you watch Powell's address to the UN? How can you dispute this evidence. Kurt Vonnegut in his article doesn't even give support for the ideas that he presents. At least the government has cold hard facts to back their case.
And last time I checked the news, North Korea said they would attack us if we invaded Iraq. But the government's response is "we have a plan for all constigencies. And if we should not take drugs because it supports terrorism then why should we drive cars? What about putting money into adapting society to fuel cells? Some say we'll see armagedon soon. I certainly hope we will. I sure could use a vacation from this bullshit three ring circus side show.
Doug, whatever happened to Khadaffi? He's still in power and hasn't done anything since the mid's. Oh, wait, there's nothing to gain by taking him out. Hmmm, North Korea, maybe we should take them out, huh? Oh, wait, nothing to gain.
We don't have the right to start a war on Iraq unless we have the backing of the UN and so far, we don't. The worst thing I can call you in reply to your sad ass hippy remark is a blind sheep being led to the slaughter.
Think for yourself, man and open your eyes. You are a bunch of sad ass hippies who can't possibly realize that sometimes it is necesarry to take out your enemies before they have the chance to do so to you. I don't support war mongering or jumping into a conflict for base reasons, but Sadam with chemical and biological weapons is something that is not good for anyone.
The article talks about Bush not caring for humanity, but if we were to stand down and allow Sadam to continue, horrible things will happen. He may not attack us, but what about the countries surrounding him?
What about his own people? Let's not forget that he has used chemical weapons on his own citizens. How is allowing this to continue good for humanity?!? And we back them regardless, which shows bias against the Arab world. As usual, Kurt Vonnegut has provided an insightful analysis of the foolishness of our idiot leaders.
I hope our protest will have more power than said banana cream pie. Thanks to Vonnegut and Bleifuss. What a difference to hear Kurt saying Quiet Nights Of Quiet Stars (Corcovado) - Kitty Kallen - The Kitty Kallen Story any normal human being thinks,instead of the usual bullshit from Bush and Blair.
Today more scare stories were issued both sides of the Atlantic,but can we really believe relible intelligenceany of it. Last week Colin Powell praised the British report on Iraq,then a few hours later it was found to have been coiped off various websites,passed on as reliable intelligence even though some of it was 12 years old. Perhaps a warning should be issued about someone called Hannibal?
I would also like to say thanks to Kurt for all the pleasure he has given me and millions of people everywhere through his writing,the man is simpley a genius. By the way, Nathan, you've been a good sport. Thanks for not calling any of us "candy asses" like someone did earlier on this post. Nathan, we sure don't get the stuff from the one-sided Fox or the network news.
We get it from reliable sources that the right denounces as "conspiracy theorists". My main point was Bush raising a smoke screen over his lack of or maybe intended lack of getting bin Laden. And who said anything about the stock market? How about all the corporate executives Bush appointed government jobs? Arthur Andersen? These are the people who've helped wipe out retirement savings. I never mentioned the stock market.
However, it did go way down when he was elected. I can get you sources for my statement about Bush's ties with Hasseim bin Laden. And, by the way, it was reported today the the aforementioned bin Laden released a minute taped message to middle East news stations urging the Arab world to stop the US with any means necessary. Is this proof Iraq and Al Queda are linked? He goes on to denounce Hussein's government. Relax, man. We ARE patriots voicing our dissent over a war we feel is completely wrong, will kill people we know, will further alienate us from the rest of the world, will costs billions, will drive up the price of gas and won't resolve anything.
It'll just prove we won't go after any nation violating said UN resolutions unless we have some interest at stake. My opinion and my duty as a citizen to speak out against something I feel is unconstitutional. Wouldn't it be better than a singularly targeted military assault to procure more of our energies and resources on behalf of stemming the tide of international terrorism led by the likes of Osama "bin Forgotten"? Given the facts, which activity do you think will do more to secure our freedoms, be they of speech, travel, theism, or atheism?
On another tack, do you think that the deprivations pushed through and sought out in DC such as the "patriot" act and the TIA to be coordinated by Adm. William "IranContragate" Poindexter will secure our freedoms in the long run? FACT: The fact that the above has not occurred since Iraq's defeat in Kuwait is compelling evidence that Saddam faces powerful deterrents. The US and it allies what remains of them!!?? Whether or not the Secretary's disclosures about Iraqi WMD factories is accurate or not, the process is in place now that has been for most of the time since The powerful international containment capability that is supposed to be accorded to the UN inspection team has been spectacularly successful in the past.
The USA is now included in their number. In effect, the Secretary admitted to being in violation of Resolution by providing pertinent information and intelligence in an open UN forum and to a globally indoctrinated audience before providing information clandestinely to the weapons inspectors.
As in the past, Security council member nations would then provide dis-arming logistical support. The US breached an obligation required of all Security Council members who were signatory to the agreement.
Why depart from what we know has worked in the past to mount a "pr" "dog and pony" show? Could it be that our leadership in DC Stand - The Jackson 5 - Diana Ross Presents The Jackson 5 hell bent on a path to "overkill"? This sort of paranoid pastiche reveals a depressingly caustic ignorance of history and a reckless and irresponsible disregard for accuracy in global affairs.
Would that Hitler's nefarious aims and motives from to had been contained as well as Saddam's atrocious designs from to In that same period, Saddam's technological threats never exceeded the capability of a wastrel by comparison to his adversaries who have held him in check.
Secretary Powell's address to the UN last week made reference to one operative known in Iraq who, in effect, may actually have been collaborating in the northern "no-fly zone" Kurdistan which has long been denied Sadaam's jurisdiction. The Secretary made favorable reference to a British report prepared at Downing St. He frequently cited as sources: "detainees" presumably from war in Afghanistan.
Last December and since, the Washington Post and other media outlets have reported that "detainees" have been subjected to routine physical assaults and tortures.
Some have been handed over to war lord partisans for tortuous execution.
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